And here you are accusing me of strawmanning…

Explain how feminism helps men achieve positive behavioral change if it systematically discards any evidence of their capacity for such.

So why is it the self-proclaimed feminists in here who are pushing back the hardest on anon’s claims?

You’d think they would embrace this as evidence that #NotAllMen are violent and sexist, yet they’re fighting me tooth and nail on it.

Is so

It does when it comes down to popularity.

But a system that makes it harder for a certain group of people to become successful will create more successful people of the favoured group.

Interesting you’d say that. So what does it tell you about who is favored as a group when female college graduates have been outpacing men since 1981?

Or that more single women own their own homes than single men do?

A strange patriarchy we live in…

Source: trust me, bro.

https://lemmy.today/comment/18331316

Not true at all. I’ve even suggested a song of the caliber I’m looking for (I Will Always Love You, originally by Dolly Parton but made famous by Whitney Houston).

I’m merely defending anon’s assertion that the vast majority of great love songs are written by men.

If the only tool you have is feminism, every problem looks like the patriarchy.

Not really. Anon claimed 99% of love songs were WRITTEN by men, didn’t he?

This isn’t as puzzling as you make it out to be. The whole point of feminism is claiming that women are just as capable and competent as men. So why do most of them seem to need help from men to write successful songs?

Now I’m certainly not saying that women lack talent as a whole (Whitney Houston’s I Will Always Love You was written by Dolly Parton originally, so clearly is possible for women to produce a megahit love song), it’s just that extreme talent seems to be more common in men. What seems to be lacking is women’s ability to recognize and appreciate that in men, and that’s the point I believe anon was trying to make.

I’ve never met a woman who was worth all that effort.

Never heard of either, and the second song was co-written by a man, but I’ll say Joni Mitchell counts.

As I said…

men don’t universally conform to a stereotype

Not all men are part of the patriarchy, because some of them are victims of it

therefore they must all confirm to a different stereotype

Therefore all men should become feminists

also men bad

But men are still the cause of all the evil in the world

Good song, but made famous by a man. Also co-written by a man.

Replace “women bad” with “men bad” and you’ve just described feminism.

Those are not songs, those are just names. And I’ve never heard of them before.

I didn’t think that this needed to be specified, but since anon is talking about men’s love for women, we’re looking for love songs written by women about men here. Sorry, but Sappho doesn’t count.

Name one fucking song that anyone would recognize. Something like Bon Jovi’s Always or Meat Loaf’s I Would Do Anything For Love, Aerosmith’s I Don’t Want to Miss A Thing, or Elvis Presley’s I Can’t Help Falling In Love With You. Just one gut-wrenching, tear duct triggering love song written by a woman.

Ra, ra, ah-ah-ah Roma, roma-ma Gaga, ooh-la-la

Need I say more?

This is a love song a cockroach would write to bait.